Fact Check Debate: Alex Jones Vs. Piers Morgan

By T. R. Coletti,  The Boston Liberal

Fact checking Alex Jones is no easy task, especially when he made over 30 statements in a 10 minute clip. This is only a partial list of statements, a full report would take days to dissect.

Alex Jones

  • FBI says there’s a 20%+ rate drop in crime:    True, but over many years, not just in a single year
  • About 74% of about 11,000+ gun homicides in the US were gang related:  As an average, True
  • 190,000 people died from hospital infections:   Couldn’t find 2011 or 2012 data, but in 2009 it was the 4th leading cause of death in the United States, and this 2012 article put’s it at around the same rank.
  • The Number 1 killer in history is “governments” who killed 292 millions people in the 21st Century: True
  • Britain took your guns 15-16 years ago and it tripled violent crime: True. Britain is the most violent country in Europe
  • Michael Springman head of (inaudible) department blew the whistle that the hijackers were allowed into the US: Potentially True.  A lot of news outlets reported on this. Here’s one.
  • Mexico, total gun ban on citizens, over 50,000 died in three years: True
  • German fasle-flag firebomb April 27th 1933: True
  • Mega banks have bragged that they have taken over in Bloomberg, AP. True, this has been said on those outlets. I’ve seen them personally but don’t have time to dig around for them.
  • Criminal elements of the military industrial complex were behind 9/11: Unknown, but history will tell. This is his current personal opinion.
  • Criminal factions of the US Military were behind Gulf of Tonkin: True, Robert McNamara said publicly that it was a false flag.
  • Criminal elements of the military industrial complex were behind Operation Gladio: True
  • Why don’t you go back and face charges for the hacking scandal? True
  • Why did you get fired from the daily mirror for putting out fake stories? True
  • The government buys 1.6 billion bullets last year : True
  • The number 1 cause of death is suicide: Couldn’t find solid 2011 or 2012 data but suicide is in the top 10 and has climbed every year for over a decade. Link
  • Why don’t you want to get rid of drugs? Because they’re half your sponsors? This is an exaggeration but a lot of drug companies advertise on CNN.
  • 3 times the amount of people are killed with rocks, pipes, knives: Need more information, but this number is higher than you think.
  • Murder with a semi automatic weapon is very low. Unknown but Hand Guns are #1 but a long shot. Here.
  • Mao killed 80 million people because he was the only guy who had the guns: Estimates vary widely, with 80,000,000 on the very HIGH end.
  • Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in Europe, and your country (Britain) has the highest: True

Piers Morgan

There were 35 gun related homicides in Britain last year: Close.  39 (equivalent to 195 U.S. murders)

America has the most guns out of 23 of the richest countries in the world: True

Largest shooting in America was Aurora Batman shooting: True, a total of 70 total people were shot (12 fatalities).

He didn’t make too many statements.

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52 Responses to Fact Check Debate: Alex Jones Vs. Piers Morgan

  1. brian8556 Reply

    January 8, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Obviously, Alex Jones pwned the dude. Although I am not a huge Alex Jones guy, he definitely DESTROYED that anti-guy Piers Morgan. What Jones should have brought up is that Nazi Germany had gun control and THEN is when the country turning into what it was.

    • Andy Reply

      January 8, 2013 at 9:19 pm

      With all due respect you can not pwn someone if they are not allowed to speak back. I cant stand piers morgan. However Alex Jones (and there is a much easier on the eye version of an alex jones over in the UK) yelled ranted and shouted down piers whenever he tried to say a word. It is a bit of a leap to say the UK’s tripling in violent crime is due to banning of guns. In all my years I have never been able to walk in to a super market and buy ammo nor have I seen hand guns in a sports shop. I would say the tripling in violent crime is due to weak governments being as much use as paper oar regards meaningful punishment coupled with a collapse of decent values.

      • Ronald Reply

        January 9, 2013 at 3:16 am

        Andy, you must not watch Piers very often. 90% of the time (except when he’s bowing to elites or politicians) Piers is doing the yelling and won’t let anyone talk. Less than 2 weeks ago, he attacked Larry Pratt and called him an “incredibly stupid man” after Mr. Pratt gave Piers his view — which was perfectly valid! And then, tonight, Piers and another guest agreed with yet another guest that Alex should be killed by a semi-automatic rifle. If that isn’t sick and twisted, I don’t know what is!

    • don452 Reply

      January 8, 2013 at 10:34 pm

      First of all, Piers Morgan didn’t say much because Alex Jones was too busy yelling way to loud to get his point across. Also at the end Alex was trying to deny al the questions Pier asked him, because Piers was about to make a great comeback.

      • Youraidiot Reply

        January 12, 2013 at 4:31 pm

        Really? A great comeback? Based on what? His great track record for Lying and doing illegal activities? Your a bigger fool then he is. This link just Told you he’s running from charges in UK and Was fired for putting out fake news. Yet..amazingly… You still route for him. Brainless individual you are.

    • Scott Reply

      March 31, 2013 at 8:22 pm

      You can say Nazi Germany had gun control and its very easy to but can anyone any where prove it? I mean with facts? Because I’ve been searching and I can’t. Seems like Alex was right not to include that.

  2. Live Free or Die Reply

    January 8, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    Hi, This link may help you Fact check the low number of rifle homicides versus other deaths. Homicides with rifles (which would include semi-auto) in 2011 = 323, homicides with fists, hands and feet in 2011 = 728. Source: FBI http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8 By the way… Total gun deaths via firearm homicide is 8,583 (Alex had this too high in the 11,000′s… It’s been dropping.

    • Paul Halfpenny Reply

      January 9, 2013 at 3:53 am

      I think you’re coming to the wrong conclusions. The overall figure for murder with any type of gun is 8,583 vs 728 for hands/fists/feet etc. You can’t JUST pick out ‘rifles’ because it is a lower figure and then suggest that gun crime has less of an impact. And even more importantly, you need to take into account how many people have access to those weapons and then look at crime figures as a % of that – EVERYONE (minus a very, very small percentage of disabled people) have access to hand/fists/feet, but a much smaller proportion of people OWN rifles. If you extrapolate the crime figures against those percentages, you will find that the murder rate with a rifle is much higher than hands/fist/feet and your argument becomes immaterial.

      • Peter Reply

        January 9, 2013 at 6:31 am

        The current debate is about banning “assault rifles” not all guns, and only 323 murders were committed last year with ALL rifles, so I think the knives/rocks/fists figure is pretty relevant actually. The point is that “assault weapons” are not used for murder as much as they are being hyped up for lately.

        • Stud Hoss Reply

          February 18, 2013 at 4:04 pm

          Right Peter..I have owned guns for over fifty years and they have never shot anyone and I do own an AR-15 because it is fun to shoot targets,wild hogs, coyotes,and anything that is a threat to my family or friends….

      • Keshav Reply

        March 11, 2013 at 3:21 am

        CNN needs to shift center-right that is who wahtces cable news hence if you look at Fox News you will see why their ratings are so high. Instead of trying to re-invent garbage and repackage it with the same tired retreads empty the ship before it completely sinks. People who need to be fired immediately Anderson Cooper he has been given 10 years to make it happen he has failed he must go. 10 years is like giving you or I a 25 year shot at getting good with our job. Please, we would have been canned in 2 years tops.Wolf Blitzer his shtick has been getting pushed down our throats since I was in high school back in 1991. He is terrible and stale and people caught on to that fact about 10 years ago he must go.John King is OK but he just is not trustworthy. He must get the axe as well.Piers Morgan absolutely must go. He is smug and a know-it-all Christian bashing Brit who has no business in prime time.Don Lemmon Has to go. Entirely too biased and his past history with major liberal groups make his credibility constantly in question.Soledad O’Brien This one speaks for itself. She is hands down the most arrogant woman in television news next to Couric and Ammanpour. I still don’t get what she is doing back on mornings or on CNN period.Carol Costello Another smug liberal partisan hack. Just a terrible person overall.Suzanne Malveaux Another smug and dull woman on the CNN roster. Just no appeal and her constant interjections with guests is just annoying.Also kill the contracts of Carville and Begalla. The 90s are over.

  3. bewisetoday Reply

    January 8, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Alex probably would have made a lot more traction if he can learn to keep his anger and distain in check, it was a great opportunity to really focus on one issue, and one issue only, which was the falsehoods behind Sandy Hook. The public is not buying the official story anymore.

  4. Live Free or Die Reply

    January 8, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Also, can you elaborate how the following claim is true based on the source you provided? About 74% of about 11,000+ gun homicides in the US were gang related: How did you confirm this was true. Based on the data sourced?

    • T. R. Coletti Reply

      January 13, 2013 at 3:04 pm

      Oops I think I used the wrong link there. I did find something from a government website that seemed to make his statement very close to accurate.

  5. Mark Dragilocevic Reply

    January 8, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    It’s shocking that you’re promoting Alex Jones’ bile. The guy’s a nutter.

    • Kay Reply

      January 25, 2013 at 9:48 pm

      The correct term is “Conspiracy Theorist”.

    • Stud Hoss Reply

      February 18, 2013 at 3:59 pm

      Does no one else scream and yell when their rights are being threatened ? I do and I can be just as bad as Alex when an idiot like Piers Morgan thinks he owns this country and can tell me what I can and cant do….

  6. Tony Chamberlain Reply

    January 8, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    Maybe Mr.Jones would have been taken more seriously if he didn’t incoherently shriek most of his “facts”.

  7. beijingyank Reply

    January 8, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    I loath the idea a member of a sub cult, micro minority, with first allegiance to a foreign country, a two passport packing scumbag lawyer has to ability to set up brain wash talking points for the American people. Dershowitz is one of the members and runs cover for the 911 Neocon cockroaches. He is the enemy.

    • Loree Reply

      March 11, 2013 at 7:55 pm

      Enligthennig the world, one helpful article at a time.

  8. Stud Hoss Reply

    January 8, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    Know guns,know protection,,,no guns, no protection…this is a free country…we are guaranteed the right to bear arms….thats just about the only right we have left that is not totally controlled by overbearing idiots…

  9. anonymous Reply

    January 9, 2013 at 1:06 am

    you missed big one, where AJ is right and PM is wrong. Sandy Hook was not the biggest mass shooting.

    • Kay Reply

      January 25, 2013 at 9:52 pm

      He said Aurora.

  10. JaxxFluxx Reply

    January 9, 2013 at 1:29 am

    FOX disagrees with Piers on the UK gun murder figure and quotes 59 gun murders in 2011 in the UK.

  11. OWNtheNWO Reply

    January 9, 2013 at 1:44 am

    Actually the 35 number was wrong, which is why you couldn’t find a link to it. Ben Swann did a reality check on it tonight.

  12. David Reply

    January 9, 2013 at 1:44 am

    Alex Jones makes a very misleading statement regarding Mexico. 1) There is NOT a “total gun ban on citizens” in Mexico. There is a ban on carrying concealed firearms and openly carry guns in public, but citizens can legally purchase and keep firearms in their home for protection. 2) This gun law has been in effect for decades (since 1971), so to imply that the “over 50,000 died in three years” is a direct result of those gun laws is blatantly false. As most know, the rise in murders in recent years is a result of ongoing wars between drug cartels. But the way Alex Jones puts it makes it sound like Mexican citizens were stripped of their guns and that suddenly lead to 50,000 dead in 3 years. It is ridiculous, and only serves to instill paranoia in the American public.

    • Shavonne Reply

      January 9, 2013 at 2:33 pm

      Your final statement is the one I wish more people would mention or at least call Alex Jones on, and that is that his only purpose (as it seems to me,) is fear-mongering. i say this because I’ve been following his websites InfoWars and PrisonPlanet for going on two years now due to my veteran brother and sister-in-law first thrned to him for answers about why they were so let down by the military and their government regarding the conflict in Iraq. They both served 2 tours there and both came home scarred both mentally and physically, and they were vulnerable, and they somehow managed to stumble from Glen F-ing Beck to Alex Jones (and while Beck is certifiable, he looks halfway stable in comparrison to Jones). I keep just trying to remind my brother that he has to take EVERYTHING Alex says with a grain of salt, because he thrives off of disinformation and again, fear-mongering. He may tell you the truth about one thing, but then he uses that credit to make something ridiculous sound believable too…I wish I could give an example but I just woke up and am sick as a dog. People need to be aware of Alex Jone, but also BEWARE of Alex Jones. The man is about five double cheeseburgers from an early grave…that it, unless someone takes Piers at his word and he ends up shot and killed. He doesn’t deserve to die, I don’t believe many do, but he does need to reign it in a bit and stop abusing his right to free speech so that he can brainwash those not able to see through his bullsh1t.

      • Stud Hoss Reply

        February 18, 2013 at 3:41 pm

        you need to wake up and smell the coffee…just because jones got irate does not means he is crazy or a danger….watch Hardcore pawn sometime its ok for blacks to scream, cuss, threaten people, piss in the parking lot in public and call people names in their own business place but if a white person shows any anger its seems unacceptable….get the picture?

    • God Reply

      January 9, 2013 at 6:30 pm

      1) Nonetheless, Alex’s point is crystal clear that violence in a society is not curbed by tighter regulations on gun ownership and carrying. 2) He never implied that. Again, the example of Mexico serves, as does that of countless other societies, to demonstrate that society is not safer as a result of enacting legislation that makes it more difficult for citizens to defend themselves with firearms. 3) “Paranoia”? Paranoia, actually, would be you being completely paranoid about the American people being paranoid simply for wanting to maintain their right to bear firearms. Paranoia and outright stupidity would be those who fear an armed citizenry more than they do an armed bureacracy who holds a monopoly on violent force and exists only to use violence to enforce their rules.

  13. house cleaning fort lauderdale Reply

    January 9, 2013 at 2:48 am

    You can’t argue with the facts, Piers Morgan got owned and hes has no right to claim he has freedom of speech guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, while at the same time attack the Bill of Rights.

    • Stud Hoss Reply

      February 18, 2013 at 3:45 pm

      Piers Morgan is a selfish Jerk and thinks he is the dictator of our country….He would probably stand and watch a burglar come in his home and kill his sons because he is too stupid to buy a gun…what a total idiot…

    • Gerardo Reply

      March 14, 2013 at 5:08 am

      The answer is YES and NO. It all depdnes. If you are shooting the boardwalk with people visually recognize you would need a release to from them to sell the photo. You in fact would be violating their privacy or using their likeness without permission. Now taking a photo of them inclusive of the boardwalk as a news story could be used for editorial news purposes. Taking the photo ONLY of the boardwalk or without people in it or not recognizable could be used. I’m not a lawyer and make no claim to advice you legally. My comments is suggestive commentary not exact fact. Please use the resource link below to help you.

  14. Mary Brown Reply

    January 9, 2013 at 2:53 am

    Like Piers Morgan doesn’t rant and rave at his guests? Alex Jones beat him to it is all. If Alex would have been calm and collected Piers would have cut off anything he tried to says by shouting at him.

    • Stud Hoss Reply

      February 18, 2013 at 3:47 pm

      Right Mary unless someone challenges the idiot…he never listens …he keeps cutting them off…thats why he pisses me off….like Alex….

  15. Belgium Reply

    January 9, 2013 at 5:10 am

    I live in a free country too. And I can’t just buy a gun or ammo,and I’m fine with that. Iwould not even know what to do with it.Ihave never been in a situation where I needed a gun.

    • skinnykid Reply

      January 9, 2013 at 12:05 pm

      And that is a reason you shouldn’t own one, you’re uneducated on the use of firearms and have not recieved any training or experience in the use of firearms… You may have never needed one for protection, but I gotta ask, do you wear a seat belt when you drive your vehicle?

    • David Reply

      January 9, 2013 at 3:10 pm

      But, if you ever found yourself in a situation where you needed a gun, don’t you think you would wish you brought one? You NEVER know when you will need a gun. Hopefully that day WILL be never.

    • Stud Hoss Reply

      February 18, 2013 at 3:49 pm

      some day you may wish you did have a gun…household items dont provide much protection against a maniac who has no regard for others

  16. UK Reply

    January 9, 2013 at 7:34 am

    What about Piers Morgan saying that the Aurora Shootings were the single biggest shooting incident in the United States? That is factually wrong. That infamy goes to the Virginia Tech Massacre.

  17. LoveChild Reply

    January 9, 2013 at 9:07 am

    I Agree! http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2013/01/the-turning-point-of-the-largest-brainwashing-experiment-in-american-history-2447530.html?currentSplittedPage=0

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  19. Forkoff Reply

    January 9, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Alex needs to learn to compose himself better in corporate America if he wants to actually attract the attention of someone who can make a difference instead of scaring them away with his voice turned up to 11 and his contextless ranting. He’s a smart bloke with some valid opinions and facts, he just needs to learn to offer them to the world like a peacock displays it’s feathers, instead of his “my voice goes to 11, so fuck you” kinda “drunk football hooligan showing his arse to the police” approach.

    • Stud Hoss Reply

      February 18, 2013 at 3:51 pm

      you sound BRITISH and what about all the limey dumbasses who kill each other over losing a stupid ass soccer game…..

    • Marysol Reply

      March 14, 2013 at 5:20 am

      No.A post card is considered edrtoiial (non commercial) use. As such, your 1st Amendment right to free speech trumps any privacy or personal property laws.Edit:That is correct. That is a federal constitutional law. In the eyes of the law, a postcard is considered no different from a photo in a newspaper (that is sold,) or a photographic print in an art gallery (that is also sold.)Commercial use typically applies to advertising. Advertising is the only speech that is not protected by the First Amendment. If the post card was being using to advertise or endorse a specific product, the laws would be different. But if you are just selling them retail, there is no problem.

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  21. chucklingabit Reply

    January 11, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    The link you supplied where McNamara “admits” Tonkin “was a false flag” certainly does not support your claim, if “false flag” is taken to mean what it usually means when discussed in conspiracy circles. Instead, McNamara points out that there was a lot of *confusion* that day, with mixed reports coming from those aboard the ship. At the end, he says that events *later* indicated that those who thought the ship was under attack by torpedoes were incorrect. That’s not a “false flag.” That’s overeager sonar men. Is that the moral equivalent of what you folks are claiming when you say that 9/11 was a false flag attack? That overeager intelligence folks honestly misinterpreted data and accidentally assumed the attack originated in bin Laden’s group, when instead there was no attack at all and no real civilians murdered? One of the many reasons average folks reject the 9/11-was-an-inside-job claim is that they have trouble believing it is more likely that the US government was capable of: planning the attack against its own citizens; keeping the plan secret leading up to the attack; actually purposely murdering thousands of its own citizens; and continuing to keep its secret ever since, when compared to the official story. Less folks would reject the claim if it was just “well, maybe the US government misinterpreted some data.” BTW, it’s interesting to note that McNamara points out quite clearly that we were *definitely* attacked on the 2nd, even if the attacks on the 4th seem to have been misinterpretations of sonar data. In other words, the NVA or their associates were trying to kill our servicemen. In other words, there was probably no need for a “false flag” anyways.

  22. Anonymous Reply

    January 12, 2013 at 11:05 am

    I think someone needs to fact check the fact checker. The % you account to gang homicides is off and even the source you link to has a smaller percentage. Though they are misquoting FBI data as well. From your source The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2006 to 2010. During the same time period, the FBI estimated, on average, more than 16,000 homicides across the United States These estimates suggest that gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 12 percent of all homicides annually. They note the FBI UCR 2010 report where there were 12,996 murders out of which 8,775 were gun related-even if you attribute the 2,00 gang related homicides to guns it would still only be 25% Here is a link to the FBI UCR 2010 Report http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded/expandhomicidemain Table 10 shows relationships and includes their gang totals. If I had the time I would comment on you UK crime fact check and how misleading it is-I would think if you were going to take the time to fact check you would do it properly.

    • T. R. Coletti Reply

      January 13, 2013 at 3:05 pm

      I think I used the wrong hyperlink there. Sorry about that. I did find something from a government website that seemed to make his statement very close to accurate. I had to make that article very quickly and It came out a little sloppy.

  23. Amy Reply

    January 25, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    The comment about Aurora being the largest mass shooting in American history is FALSE. The largest mass shootings in American history come at the hands of our government. The US government committed the largest mass shootings in national history by opening fire on peaceful families of children, the elderly, women, and men at Wounded Knee, Sand Creek, and Bloody Island. These followed repeated US treaty violations to remove Native Americans by armed military force from their lands. Each mass shooting killed about 150 innocent people.

  24. Stud Hoss Reply

    February 18, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Right Amy..no one ever mentions the slaughter of the American Indians who were the true owners of this land…They were the only true Americans…not all the slime moving in here from all other countries in the world….

  25. Denice Reply

    February 22, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    There would have been a changing from the guard. “I’m campaigning for Obama, so I’ll be really busy your,” she said. It’s entirely possible that my attitude around it came, on some level, from realizing that I still liked boys.

  26. Arrow CW Reply

    March 12, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    good

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